The best Atlanta Braves RHP: so how do you value pitching?

Former Atlanta Braves players Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Greg Maddux. (Photo by Daniel Shirey/Getty Images)
Former Atlanta Braves players Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Greg Maddux. (Photo by Daniel Shirey/Getty Images)
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Tim Hudson with former Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox. (Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)
Tim Hudson with former Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox. (Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images) /

How do you measure the better pitcher? In the rich history of the Atlanta Braves, this is actually an interesting question.

Longevity? Dependability?  Performance?  Intangibles? The Atlanta Braves — through their history — have enjoyed a lot of excellent pitchers over their nearly 150 years of existence, and thus it is definitely a question worth exploring.

Atlanta Braves beat writer Mark Bowman raises the point today is a tweet that suggests he is researching that very question.

In case you can’t see it, he poses a poll among his top four candidates for that “runner-up” position: John Smoltz, Phil Niekro, Tim Hudson, and 1880’s legend Kid Nichols.

Let’s break them down a bit… and I’ll throw Greg Maddux into the mix as well for the sake of completeness.  We’ll also assign points as one means of ranking these guys.  For the record, this is being done on -the-fly with no pre-conceived notions.

TIME WITH THE BRAVES

This should matter if you’re asking about the best pitcher for a given team. Granted – if you’re racking up years, you’ll also mount up a lot of stats. That said, you’re mounting up stats because you’re good enough to justify keeping for all of those years, too.

Here’s the tale of the tenure tape:

  • HUDSON – 2005-2013: 9 seasons
  • MADDUX – 1993-2003: 11 seasons
  • NICHOLS – 1890-1901: 12 seasons
  • NIEKRO – 1964-1983: 20 seasons, plus 3 innings in 1987 at age 48.
  • SMOLTZ – 1988-2008: 21 seasons (counts an injured 2000 season).

Points: 5 for Smoltz down to 1 for Huddy. Yes – 20+ years is a lot better than 9-12, but let’s see if there’s any “adjustments” necessary at the end. This also awards the extra point to Smoltz despite an entire season in which he didn’t play.

For now, we’ll play it straight, but there’s much more to get to.

Right-hander Greg Maddux of the Atlanta Braves in 2003. Best Braves RHP ever? (Photo By Eliot J. Schechter/Getty Images)
Right-hander Greg Maddux of the Atlanta Braves in 2003. Best Braves RHP ever? (Photo By Eliot J. Schechter/Getty Images) /

Braves Performance (part 1/WAA)

Here, we need to be a bit careful… and it’s the first point where “your mileage may vary”. I have chosen baseball-reference’s Wins Above Average for this. Not WAR, but hopefully a better indication of how much better a pitcher was performing beyond his peers’ results.

HUDSON – 11.7 (on this chart, he’s actually the tenth-ranked Braves RHP!)
MADDUX – 46.5
NICHOLS – 69.0
NIEKRO – 50.0
SMOLTZ – 39.1

Those between Smoltz and Hudson: John Clarkson (25.2), Vic Willis (24.4), Tommy Bond (24.1), Jim Whitney (15.4), and Charlie Buffington (11.9).

Had I used WAR, the results would still have Nichols on top (107.4) and Niekro 2nd, but flipping Smoltz and Maddux. Hudson drops to 11th among Braves RH hurlers as Lew Burdette jumps into the 9th spot.

Points: Niekro and Nichols 8, Smoltz 7, Maddux 5, Hudson 1.

BRAVES PERFORMANCE (part 2/ERA+)

Before looking, it is recognized that this metric might end up being too similar to WAA, though it is included since the value obtained is intended to grade a pitcher independent of ballpark conditions (how accurate that might be for Nichols is anyone’s guess, though).

HUDSON – 115 (9th among Braves RHP with 1000+ innings)
MADDUX – 163
NICHOLS – 143
NIEKRO – 119
SMOLTZ -127

Points: Nichols 12, Niekro and Maddux and Smoltz 10, Hudson 3

BRAVES WINS PLUS SAVES

The latter value is obviously in here because of Smoltz, though I am going to modify that just a bit: the numbers you’ll see here will be Wins + (0.333 * Saves)… counting a save as 1/3rd of the value of a Win (results rounded).

Feel free to adjust your own calculators if you don’t like that 0.333 figure, but that’s where we’ll start here:

HUDSON – 113 (again, all of these numbers are measure while a Brave)
MADDUX – 194
NICHOLS – 330 + (0.333)*15 ==> 335
NIEKRO – 268 + (0.333)*29 ==> 278
SMOLTZ – 210 + (0.333)*154 ==> 261

Points: Nichols 17, Niekro 14, Smoltz 13, Maddux 12, Huddy 4.

At this point, I want to make clear that while Tim Hudson was clearly a stalwart of the Atlanta Braves rotation for nearly a decade and his contributions to the success of the club were outstanding, he’s simply being overwhelmed by the rare company he’s in here.

Atlanta Braves forerunners, the 1892 Boston Beaneaters pose for a team picture with Hall of Famers King Kelly (middle row third from left), Kid Nichols (top row middle), John Clarkson (middle row, far right), and Hugh Duffy (front row, far right). (Photo by Mark Rucker/Transcendental Graphics, Getty Images)
Atlanta Braves forerunners, the 1892 Boston Beaneaters pose for a team picture with Hall of Famers King Kelly (middle row third from left), Kid Nichols (top row middle), John Clarkson (middle row, far right), and Hugh Duffy (front row, far right). (Photo by Mark Rucker/Transcendental Graphics, Getty Images) /

Braves Bonus Points

How much further should we go here? There’s a lot of reasons to include or ‘disinclude’ other stats that could be in play:

  • Strikeouts – do you have to be a strikeout specialist to be effective? Nichols wasn’t – and in his era, batters protected the plate better. So he was effective despite extra contact.
  • Shutouts – that became passe as the age of the reliever came into vogue.
  • WHIP – which is more important? Keeping runners off base or keeping them off home plate? One does lead to the other and all of these pitchers were in the Top 14 for the Braves RHP, all-time (Maddux 1st, Nichols 11th, Huddy 14th).
  • Innings? Games? Another longevity stat, and we used years already. Niekro and Nichols win these easily.
  • Hall of Fame? Well, all of them — save Hudson — are there already. It’s hard to go by other awards since Nichols pitched before they were created.
  • But the modern era is more difficult! Maybe, but Nichols made up for that by pitching all the time. He routinely threw 40+ starts a season and put up 5 straight years of 400+ innings. He had to be throwing tired all Summer.

I will award bonus points as follows:

HUDSON – 1 for being the best pitcher on the staff in his era
MADDUX – 2 for being the acknowledged wizard of pitching command, perhaps the best ever in the game other than Satchel Paige.
NICHOLS – 1 for his performance despite an incredible workload. He got to 300 wins early during his 11th season in the league!
NIEKRO – 2 for continuing to pitch and pitch and pitch with that knuckleball for innings and games and years. What if there had been some better Braves teams around him during those times.
SMOLTZ – nothing extra. It feels like the above numbers capture him well enough, and it’s his own driving competitiveness that got him to that point.

Final Points:

  • Nichols 18
  • Niekro 16
  • Maddux 14
  • Smoltz 13
  • Hudson 5

So while Bowman may think that Maddux is the slam-dunk best righty ever for the Atlanta Braves over their long history, the belief here is that he’s hurt significantly by the longevity stat.

He could very well have been one of the best RHP’s ever in the game, but this reckoning puts Kid Nichols on top when limiting the discussion to Braves players alone. Niekro’s impressive resume — in total — places him second.

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